The Next Normal: An Interview with Wayne Ho

The Next Normal: Wayne

In this thought-provoking episode, Brooke chats with Wayne Ho, President and CEO of the Chinese-American Planning Council. They delve deep into the topic of racial equity, particularly in light of the challenges posed by the COVID-19 pandemic and its impact on Asian-American communities. Wayne shares his insights on rebuilding society with a strong focus on equity and dismantling existing power structures. This episode is an essential listen for anyone interested in understanding the nuances of racial equity in the nonprofit sector and the broader society. It’s a timely discussion on creating a more equitable and just ‘next normal.’

What Listeners Will Learn:

  1. Redefining ‘Normal’: Wayne’s perspective on why returning to the pre-pandemic normal isn’t enough.
  2. Pursuit of Racial Equity: The necessity and challenges of prioritizing racial equity in rebuilding efforts.
  3. Leadership and Accountability: The role of leaders in facilitating difficult conversations and ensuring accountability in racial justice.

Key Takeaways:

  • The pandemic has exposed systemic inequities that must be addressed.
  • True racial equity requires deep, systemic changes, not just performative gestures.
  • Leaders need to engage in and facilitate difficult but necessary conversations.
  • Accountability is key to progressing towards racial justice and equity.
  • Deconstructing power structures is essential for creating lasting change.

Step-by-Step Process:

  1. Recognize Inequities: Acknowledge the systemic injustices revealed by the pandemic.
  2. Facilitate Conversations: Create safe spaces for discussing sensitive topics.
  3. Promote Racial Equity: Implement strategies to prioritize equity in rebuilding efforts.
  4. Ensure Accountability: Develop processes for holding individuals and organizations accountable.
  5. Deconstruct Power Structures: Actively work towards dismantling existing power dynamics.

Resource Mentioned:

  • Chinese-American Planning Council: A nonprofit organization focused on the social and economic empowerment of Chinese American, immigrant, and low-income communities.

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